@BuyFromEU My next phone will definitely be the #Jolla phone. I want as European mobile phone as possible and in my head that also includes operating system. To my understanding there is only one mature enough independent European operating system available, #sailfishOS which comes out of box with Jolla phone.
To be fair my understanding is that Volla also supports #SailfishOS out of box, but it isn't done in co-operation with Jolla so it doesn't have AAS. Hopefully soon!
@BuyFromEU definitely the jolla phone for me
@Antti98 there's also #UbuntuTouch that is been developed since c2014 and currently testing for 24.04
I use it as main phone since the end of 2015
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@cibersheep That has come up when I have done research! What I have read has been that it is not quite as mature as Sailfish and that the app ecosystem is even smaller (+popular apps are ported from Sailfish?)
But I am interested to hear what has been your first hand experience with it? Are you using waydroid on it and if so how has it worked? Are you keeping it online all the time and if so how is the battery life?
I believe that #UbuntuTouch and #Jolla could benefit from closer co-operation!
@Antti98 there's some cooperation between all platforms on lowlevel code (HALium and such) and not really porting Sailfish apps but benefiting on the low level parts back and forth between the platforms. I never tested SailfishOS but I've heard it's not that mature comoairing to UT. I'm guessing here that depends on the device and usecase. Both projects are awesome achieving such a huge task.
I'm not using wydroid at all. I better not depend on it and for now I've managed to do so.
@Antti98 my usecase is simple: surt internet, messaging, email, gps, podcast, audiobooks and radio (through internet), book rrading, some old gaming, 2fa manager, calendar and nextcloud sync.
Battery is a critical point, it lasts a day of nit heavy use. Now with the use of VoLTE it seems to last quite linger though.
Steps on the default browser in 24.04 are needed and in the way as it's getting behind now. But I would not go back to Android even if I was going to be paid for that...
@Antti98 About apps, you can check the catalog here:
https://next.open-store.io/
@cibersheep What I have understood is that for example Pure maps (etc. apps) is ported from Sailfish to UT but don't know for sure. Hopefully there could be more co-operation also in app front anyway! Any co-operation is plus :)
Huh, haven't heard that one before that UT would be more mature, but as I don't have any experience can't say. Might be usecase thing as you said. For example to my understanding Sailfish doesn't support flatpacks, maybe UT does and someones need that?
@cibersheep Sailfish also has problems with up to date browser... It seems to be quite a big job and problem, didn't know UT is fighting with same one :/ Good browser allows to do so many things, might be even the most critical app in the phone.
Good to hear that UT can fulfil all of those tasks! Kind of sounds that UT fulfil 90% of everyones use cases with those. Glad that there is options out there :) Do you need to do "workarounds" a lot with the system?
@cibersheep Oh boy UT is much further in that front! I have really missed webpage front for Jolla store... A little hard to check beforehand what apps can be found from Jolla store and what need to be got from open repos or Chum. Those have webpage front end but some apps can be in all three... Definitely one thing that should be improved in Sailfish
@Antti98 I've found some people online talking trash about the system (any of them really) but it seams being started by Canonical, UT is a target for bad reviews that are outdated or plainly false. I guess it's the same for Sailfish. An OS I would like to try eventually.
About flatpacks, it's not there yet. As snaps, but there's a container for installing debs and Nix packages (from where you can install some more modern browsers).
@Antti98 I mean, it's not free of workarounds, honestly. Nothing that bothers me too much. Maybe GPS not being assisted. So you needs to be outside to get a sign.
If something I really miss I can make up myself. I've never done an app for a phone OS before (or for any platform really) but for UT it's quite really easy. Not mandatory but fun to try.
@Antti98 the Open Store is open (and mainly a solo project from a user) can be cloned and forked and used for Sailfish or any other OS really
@cibersheep Definitely agree that there seem to be a lot of false claims and trash talk related to alternative OSs.
As a tech noob I don't think I would need flatpack support, but I have seen it requested regularly at Sailfish forum. Apparently it has worked at some point which frustrates people more idk.
@cibersheep I think Sailfish currently has same GPS problem after Mozilla stopped supporting their services. They are planning to implement something else to mitigate that, but haven't heard about it in a while. And probably Jolla is quite busy with new phone so might be that we need to wait a little bit longer to get improvements on that front.
Have you had to do workarounds with basic functions or has it always been something more "special"?
@Antti98 for a regular use, it prtty works as expected actually. Specially on the recommended devices. There's always some hickkups, but nothing really severe. I use my ohone for averything (as, as I said, it's my main and only device)
@cibersheep Very good to hear! Thank you for the responses. I somehow feel that in Mastodon the conversations are much nicer than on some other social medias.
One and final question, how did you find UT so early on?! It's amazing that you have been using it for over decade now!
@Antti98 I was amazed the other day about that as well. Mastodon is full of people that talk to each other. In a nicer way, even if we disagree on the subject. I love it here.
Canonical started a campaign around 2013 to create the «final phone» or something that failed and I missed. Afterwards, around 2014 they were doing the adaptation of Unity desktop to the phones. I was between Project Ara (the modular phone from Google) and Ubuntu on the phone. I was checking on both of those projects...
